Alex/Bliss
Alex’s Background & Investment Focus
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Special projects consultant at aerospace/defense company (London HQ)
- Previously worked there ~decade ago when 10 people, now 1000+ with 30 global locations
- Currently handles acquisitions due diligence and new opportunity evaluation
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Angel investor running Greek-affiliated founder syndicate (3 years)
- Converting to actual fund, close to final closing after year of fundraising
- Invests in frontier tech founders globally with Greek connections
- Focus on highly technical + commercially oriented founders
- Portfolio spans space, vertical AI, health tech, blockchain-based financial systems
Defense Procurement & Supply Chain Insights
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Clean supply chain verification increasingly important for competitive advantage
- Companies need to prove compliance with export controls, forced labor restrictions
- Forward-looking requirement more than legacy contract scrutiny
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European sovereignty concerns growing across defense procurement
- Germany chose French platform over Palantir for intelligence services
- Kill switch fears affecting purchasing decisions (F-35s example)
- All EU countries becoming sensitive, not just France/Germany
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Geopolitical rifts creating supply chain restructuring
- Companies setting up separate EU/US stock and entities for bidding optionality
- Gradual push toward home-grown supply chains within NATO universe
Greek Tech Ecosystem & Talent Arbitrage
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Athens emerging as cost-effective engineering hub
- Perfect English, strong technical skills at fraction of US costs
- High ambition to prove themselves and connect with US opportunities
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Trend of multinationals and scale-ups establishing Athens engineering teams
- Wondeful AI example: grew from 1 to 30+ people, Greek hires became senior leaders within 6-10 months
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Ecosystem improving but still top-down driven vs organic growth
- Younger generation more open and internationally minded
- Potential as Balkan talent hub, cultural barriers diminishing
Next Steps
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Bliss to send email with Stanford-tagged blurb about semiconductor supply chain project
- Alex will forward to senior semiconductor industry contacts
- Focus on operations, supply chain, procurement, risk management leaders
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Potential Athens meetup when Bliss visits Greece this summer
Chat with meeting transcript: https://notes.granola.ai/t/302f1a5b-2c73-47b4-b725-564f5e1201be
Transcript
Them: Hey, Alex. How’s it going? Hey, Bliss. Good morning over there. I assume you’re somewhere in in California right now. Yes. I’m in Palo Alto right now. Awesome. Good morning. Good morning. I’m in London, Good morning, Kalimera. Calimera Calimera. Not not as close, but slightly closer than Yes. How are you? I realized you spent some time in Greece last year or the year before. I know that. Yes. I I actually lived in Greece last year. I was a I was a Fulbright scholar there, so I I received some funding from the embassy to work on a project. Which is really exciting. But I spent a lot of time in Greece over the years, My family goes to Antiparos every summer. So Amazing. no no Do do do you guys have a house or just you love the island and we keep coming back or you have friends maybe? we we we’ve been going every year, and then we’re we’re constructing a house right now. So it’s Awesome. it’s in progress. It’s taking a little longer than we wanted, but how how these things are, I guess. Awesome. Awesome. Yeah. Yeah. It’s, well, antiparous is a difficult island a little bit because you need to go to Paris and you go to Antiparos. Of course. Especially for materials and and perhaps more kind of, like, you of materials that that you might need or the the labor. But it’s a beautiful island that been many times. I really, really like it. I think you’re lucky. Yes. Of course. That you’re gonna have a place Super. Super. And you you met Phil as well a few days ago. Right? Yes. We we we’ve done it other for a bit, actually, because I was living in DC for a while, and I heard him speaking Greek in line at a bar once, and so I went up and chatted with them and we’ve we’ve sort of been in touch since then. So Awesome. Awesome. And what what what’s what what’s up now? I’m I’m understanding that you’re doing something interesting. You’ve been at Palantir before for a number of years, you’ve seen how a very high paced environment builds amazing products or, you know, how you to customers. Who have very high demands. Very curious to hear what you’re up to now, and I’ll I’ll tell you more about myself as well. But let’s start with you. Okay. I so I’m I’m currently a first year student at business school. It’s Stanford. Decided to come to business school after Palantir, just to sort of get some experience with things that of engineering and product development, which is where I was working. At Pounds here primarily. So my friend and I have actually started, we’ve actually got a grant from Stanford to work on an idea over the summer. So we’re really excited about that. We are looking at a lot of problems in, like, the semiconductor supply chain. So we our current, like, kind of hypotheses are around a lot of, like, financialization in the supply chain and, like, different ways that, like, companies can, like, basically manage risk across different places. So we’re trying to we’re we’re certainly around a few hypotheses right now. We’re still, like, very, very early on. We’ve only been Is is that for working on this for, like, a month or two, but we’re gonna be working on it through this summer. for the chip manufacturers themselves? Is that for the electronics companies What part of the stream are you guys trying to target here? Of course. We we’ve had a few different conversations that we’ve been pulling on. One that we’ve had, like, two with is NVIDIA has a lot of problems with managing their warranties. Their warranty item on their balance sheet has grown 20 times in the last year to, $8,000,000,000. And they’re struggling. They basically keep up with the the rate at which, like, repairs are needing to be delivered, at places like Meta and the other hyperscalers. So we’ve been having some initial conversations with them to try and, like, zero in on this, like, reverse supply chain, kind of warranty risk. Another piece we’ve been looking at is, like, parametric insurance and creating, like, new insurance policies. For chip manufacturers, based on, like, telemetry and, like, sensor data that’s being produced by the equipment manufacturers. So, again, we’re really just trying to, like, speak with as many people in the industry as possible and, like, understand some pain points, and just do some customer discovery As I said, this is really early. But we’re excited about this space in general. Awesome. That sounds, I think, a very cool idea to begin with. I’m sure there’s a lot of pain at the time where the supply crunch is real. You have that with memory. You have that with you know, the compute. You have that all across the stack of electronics today. And I think there are many, many from my experience. So let me tell you a little bit about myself. Of course. Right now, I’m I have two hats that I’m wearing. One hat is as special projects consultant for an aerospace and defense company. I’m actually now in their in their headquarters in London. I used to work for that company almost a decade ago when we were just 10 people. Now it’s more than a thousand. 30 locations around the world, really big contracts, really important missions, and and, you know, it’s a humbling experience to be part or close to to something that grew up so fast. I’m sure you’ve seen a lot of that at Palantir as well. Of course. Which which company is this? It’s called I’m gonna share the the link here. Give me a second. This one. So I’m pretty close to a lot of deep tech problems, usually, are around dual use. Sure. Real real dual use problems. Both hardware and software but we have a lot of big assets including aircraft and and whatnot. So there are a lot of electronics and and different types of payloads, different types of sensors, and other types of dooms, small assets that that we’re involved in. And the other hat that I have is as an angel investor, where we run an angel syndicate for the past three years. Investing in Frontier Tech founders around the world. Usually of Greek origin or or Greek origination. In the sense that they came to us through some kind of Greek, Yeah. So kind of, like, recommendation. So much like you might have seen, you know, Mhmm. other ethnic groups like the Israeli, the Indian, the the Italian one. Leveraging their networks and their sport groups. We’re trying to do the same. We’re not restricting restricting ourselves to Greek founders. But the Greek connection helps a lot and cover amazing opportunities. Sure. So that’s a little bit around around our our thesis. And, we’ve done a lot of different diptych type of bets from space and vertical AI all the way to health tech and, some kind of blockchain based, agentic, financial systems. So a little bit of everything. And what was the common node in all of that is we usually invested in people who have been highly technical. So they had some really good expertise in a domain or a universe of of activities that they learned really well and that had a lot of science or engineering parts involved. Sure. But they were also commercially oriented. Meaning they, you know, they didn’t just do science for science sake. Because that’s great, but it’s not a great business model. They could also sell or they were interested in in building something and growing it into something. So that these are the two hats. Now we’re turning the Angel Syndicate that we’ve been running into an actual fund So we we’ve been fundraising for the past year or so. And we’re very, very close to to finally closing it. These are the two hats In general, I’m very, very interested in in, whatever frontier tech idea comes my way. And even if it’s not something that me personally or or my partner would would be investing in, We nevertheless would love to to help in any way possible. Having built a very big network of Greek affiliated people who are or perhaps the world’s best people in in their domain. I’ve crossed. In in in this case, you have the added benefit of having been in Greece from what I understand many times. You know, you’ve worked here. You’ve studied here. You have a a house soon to be. So you’re an honorary Greek for purposes. And happy to bring you in touch with anyone we we know. Thank you very much. And and then, yeah, thanks thanks for the overview. I’m curious, like, how did you get into the defense space to begin with? Series of coincidence Mhmm. actually. I I was working for a hedge fund in the beginning of my career, Actually, I step back. I wanted to do a PhD out of grad school. I got accepted, but I realized life into a library for the next five years was not what attracted me the most. So I started working for hedge fund, did that for about two years. It was a long short global macro fund. We did a lot of equities and a few other types of liquid assets. So I learned a lot about the markets there. And at some point, I left and, a friend of mine from from my master’s told me that there is this company they just started. They’re looking for their first few junior Maybe, you know, have a look. There was no website at the point because aerospace and defense, by its own nature, is very Of course. it needs to be kind of, like, low low key. But our company had been low key and has been for for many. Many years. We recently had a more public presence. So that’s how I ended up here. I didn’t have a defense background. I did serve in the in the Greek army for a year, but, it was mostly through a mutual connection who recommended me, and I ended up meeting with the team, liked them, stayed with the team for about three and a half years. I think as much as you were at Palantir or something. Then left, did did a bunch of other stuff, did my MBA. Yes. Worked for other startups, and now came back and became involved for specific types of of things that I could help with while being able to retain the the other hat of an investor and looking at other interesting opportunities. Sure. That’s actually similar. Mean, I still contract with talent here on a few projects right now, like, while I’m at school. So, like, Very similar. Yeah. Yeah. Very, very similar. Very similar. Yeah. But that that’s it. And it’s it’s it’s easy, right, because you know the people. They know you. There is trust. That’s a Totally. And so have you have you worked mostly on Europe projects? Or important thing. Done everything. My focus is mostly Europe now, but part of my job before was evaluating new opportunities. And doing due diligence in a number of acquisitions that we would perform. At the time when I was last here in my previous stint, we we acquired about 12 companies. The company basically grew through acquisition, and then we kind of, like, combined many different assets together and businesses and business units and cultures. And then the culmination of that is the the state of the company, which now is much more focused in organic origination. So we do a lot of incubations, experimentations, We’ve we’ve created a simulation arm internally. Computational lab internally, many interesting things that we wouldn’t be able to do beforehand, but now we have the talent and the scale and, experience as well after almost ten years of of existing. Mhmm. I’m curious. Did you ever work much with, like, procurement or supply chain? Lot a lot a lot There? I mean, I have a lot of thoughts to share there. They’re mostly tailored towards the DOD or DOW Now. And Other Sclerotic Bureaucratic Agencies Or Organizations In The US and and in Europe. Of course. Yes. Happy to answer any questions you have or or from a standpoint, though. That’s that’s Yeah. Of course. The reason I ask is our our initial hypothesis for what we’re working on right now actually was around a lot of, compliance, and and regulatory restrictions placed on, like, chip companies around, like, China recently. And we kinda had this hypothesis that by, like, building a platform that helped companies in the semi industry, with sort of, like, restricted entity screening, export control screening, Uyghur Forced Labor Protection Act, a lot of these things. That we can start to generate, like, some basically, like, a data model of, like, mapping out the supply chain and who is buying from whom. In exchange for providing these compliance workflows. And after doing a lot of customer interviews, we sort of realized that, like, most firms don’t really have an incentive to, like, create this, like, super fine grained map because they they sort of like the ambiguity of, like, not quite being able to prove that, like, this chip comes from China, and that means that I need to, like, completely retool my supply chain. But, like, the one exception we seem to have encountered is, like, in the defense space where I think, like, you know, firms when they’re selling to the government, they need to be to prove that their supply chains are clean and that they’re not, like, violating any of these controls. Yeah. And that it’s it’s even, a competitive advantage for them to, like, you know, for a for an Andrew, for example, to say, like, oh, our supply chain is verified to, like, not contain anything. Coming from military linked entities in China. We can prove this. Lucky can’t. A competitive advantage for us. And so I’m curious, like, how you view the sort of, like, clean supply chains, kind of peace, compliance piece when it comes to procurement and being competitive and, like, bidding for these contracts. I think you’re definitely onto something. I wouldn’t narrow it just in terms of China and, you know, outside the current NATO universe, I think there is Sure. a gradual push towards having home brewed origination and supply chains and, materials for the full chain of supply let’s say, in the in The US or in Europe. And you’ll see in many cases that there is some hesitation even between EU and The US right now when there are both companies or Of course. or assets involved that belong to one side. Mhmm. The Atlantic. I mean, there is a rift, unfortunately. I don’t think it’s you know, it’s something that will change. But at the same time, I don’t know how much bigger it will become over the next few years. So what I do know is that companies are trying to mitigate the effects of of especially global multinational companies that serve both The US and The EU and maybe India, Australia, New Zealand, Name it. The UK. Like, if if you’re if you’re a multinational company, part of the Western Order, You Are Trying To Find Ways, Maybe, You Know, The Way You Structure Your Entities Or The Way You You Set Up Your Supply Chain Logistics. To Avoid Not Being Able To Bid For This Contract. So Alternatives Are Important. You Know? And This Means That You Might Have Different Stock In The US, different in the EU. Just you want the optionality of having that. And so and so how much do you feel like European I don’t know, governments and, like, tier one suppliers to the the defense, you know, ministries or militaries there. Are really trying to audit, like, every like, where all their equipment is coming from and try and remove, like, risky nodes of stream, like, actively right now. Versus just, like, going going forward, like, trying to, like, I don’t know, buy European or something like that. I think it’s a more forward looking, task. It’s hard for legacy systems. And existing contracts that have been signed, and are being serviced to to change things that easily There is a reason for that. Change takes time, Change is risky, especially if you don’t have a valid alternative yet or you haven’t tried things out. You’re just you need to retrain a bunch of people, systems, processes, whatnot. So I don’t envision people who already have these contracts to face a lot of scrutiny with their existing Got it. contracts. But with the future pipeline, for sure, Mhmm. That’s something that that’s that’s coming. It’s already here that people are companies are trying to and and it’s hard because sometimes, you know, it might be a US company, but you need to European card or vice versa. Yeah. I mean, Palantir over the years has had, like, some ups and downs in Europe with with regards to to selling there. I mean, just recently, like, the German, I don’t know, intelligence services, like, bought some French platform instead of instead of Palantir, and I think a lot of that was motivated by sovereignty concerns. So Yeah. Yeah. And it’s it’s Germany too. It’s France. It’s other countries now. You have this this geopolitical aspects coming in to play, and sometimes the politicians themselves might want to flaunt that in the in the in the press as well. So it’s not just a choice and a matter of sovereignty, it’s also a statement. Sure. Okay. You’re punishing us with tariffs. Mhmm. We might as well not choose next time that we’re or because maybe some companies volunteer is is an example here because I think ubiquitous presence in The UK, Europe, etcetera. But there are many others as well. Like, I think there is a fear that when you have a kill switch, same thing with the f 30 fives, That doesn’t sound that sound it creates different types of thoughts to the countries that are purchasing the systems. When they know that perhaps someone like the president might decide to to to act on it after all. Sure. Doesn’t mean that they will or or, you know, or it’s a real danger, but people are thinking about these things. Mhmm. What, like, what what what which markets in Europe do you feel like are particularly sensitive to that? I mean, my understanding is it’s like France and Germany more so than, like, I think all of them will become your Poland or your yeah. Mhmm. I think it will become an UI thing. Mhmm. Even The UK to an extent. I mean, you you you’ve seen the the way the Blair Institute post Palantir in The UK and kind of, like, through the throat of every single ministry that existed created a knee jerk reaction. Palantir, for instance, doesn’t, unfortunately, and it affects the rest of the defense space as well. Doesn’t have many friends in in London. Or if go a bit outside the capital looking at smaller cities, And I think that’s because you know, the of the geopolitical aspect, but also because of the approach. It was kind of like too much too soon. It wasn’t gradually building towards this Ajá. contracts and and proving that there is privacy, there is security, there is you know, all of that for the layman. It’s like at some point someone noticed a massive contract and like, wow. What is happening? So this is also something that I believe will will be very important. The the previous gatekeepers or gate openers do not have the same cloud or share the same type of and respect that maybe they did with the previous elites that they were operating with. There will be new Of course. ones. Yeah. I mean, I I it’s as I said, yeah, the the European story has been really And I I I find it very, like, I don’t know, fascinating myself just because I I I spent a lot of time in Europe, and I have a very transatlantic mindset. And, like, that’s where my heart lies, but I realized like, the world is moving in in a different direction. And and I’m just trying to understand, like, how Europeans are viewing sort of issues in defense procurement and sovereignty. So It it wasn’t like that before. There was never a mhmm. question. The the the kill switch kill switch question never came up. The, you know, do I trust the US government or Palantir or whoever else with my data? This is Wasn’t a problem before because we all considered ourselves on the same side. This is. The moment the perception of of unity was questioned, it created those effects It created this this deeper thoughts among European countries. And I think Europe is usually very slow to react, very bureaucratic, but the moment they decide on a threat level or at least on a on an idea, Things start moving. And now you have more interoperability within Europe. You have a lot of more investment. You have much more home brewed innovation. If you go to Zurich today, you’ll find perhaps from from my experience as an investor looking at a lot of pitch decks and stuff like that, the value to cost differential between and Palo Alto or New York, especially in the topics. There’s no comparison. Of course. I’d I’d much rather go to and start looking for or or ETEHA graduates than go and see what the armada of amazing students in California universities do. And not because they’re not good, Yeah. Mhmm. but because they’re too expensive. Now. So that’s another interesting thing that is changing. Now Of course. in the age of AI, you don’t need teams. You don’t need super supremely paid engineers that commanded in in same premium because someone with 10 agents and half a brain can probably out more than just a single great engineer. Sí. And are are you are you bullish on Greece itself as a as a tech hub within Europe? I mean, I know you’re you’re you’re the fund you’re spinning up is focusing on, sort of the Greek network of founders across the world. But I’m I’m curious in particular just around what’s actually happening in Athens as opposed to Greeks in London or elsewhere. My my our focus is mostly global, Mhmm. which means that we don’t really invest in Greece, and there is a reason for that. ¿Y sí? The ecosystem, yes, is improving tremendously. You might have seen events like Panafinna Yeah. I I I went last year. Unfortunately, I couldn’t make it this year, but which which are great in terms of of the brand aspect and the way Greece is being treated mhmm. by foreigners, people who might either love or don’t even know that Greece has has a text in. So things are getting better for sure. More founders, more investments, more, more capital coming in. But there is a bit still a very big discrepancy locally. That has to do between there is a lot of liquidity coming in So there are lots of funds and EU sponsored vehicles that are throwing in money. But there aren’t enough great founders. In Greece, unfortunately. Nevertheless, there are many people of Greek origin around the world people who have usually left for a better future or for their studies, for their work because their parents left. They are, you know, second generation. Immigrant kids. That have built fantastic stuff either in The US or somewhere else. And that’s where our focus lies. I’d say Greece has a lot of potential We’re actually doing a lot of stuff there, but my my feeling is that especially at the time when they’re you know, maybe between the EU and The US, there’s a bit of a divide. This kind of, like, cross culture diaspora groups who who can cut across geographies. They cut across, Ajá. you know, nationalities. You might be Greek in London. You might be Greek in in in Palo Alto, in New York. These people still speak with with each other, even in the crazy scenario when there is a rift. Of course. Even if there is a rift between, you know, the alliance, Mhmm. people would still be Greek. They would be be connected. So that’s something I really believe in, not just with the Greek aspect, but with other cultural groups as well. Mhmm. Yeah, that’s really interesting. I just remember, like, last year, when I was in Athens, it seems like every month there was some new AI related conference or event. And I think what what the question I was really trying to to to pull out is, like, how much of this is really sort of a bottom up energy of an ecosystem versus, like, a sort of more top down, like, you know, people like Vasilis Kutumbas and the government trying to, like, really you know? I mean, in the administration trying to sort of create energy from the top. So Yeah. If if you ask me, because I’ve seen that play many times, it never really works. It never works even if they’re at their best if even with the best intentions. If the timing is not right, if the the rest of the factors are not ripe, or this type of change, It might be a great thing, and it might bring a lot of eyeballs. But at some point, the the rate of change, like, any kind of derivatives that you’re probably very familiar with some point, it stops. And I think that the key there is to to allow for for time to build this organic Mhmm. relationships and and the thirst and the need, and we’re getting there. I mean, after a terrible crisis, now people are Mhmm. much more interested in doing stuff and building new things and taking the risk which is very important, of of building a company like you’re doing now with I hope, a non dilutive grant from Stanford. Yes. Nondilutive. Exactly. Awesome. So, yeah, I I what what you should think about in terms of grace given that you have the connection and a very strong, kind of, like, foot on the ground, is that you can find amazingly talented engineers or software and hardware for a fraction of the price that you would get them in The US, but also with perfect ability to speak English. Yes. With a very big drive to do and prove themselves because they want to get out of the hamster wheel of the Greek reality. And with with a lot of passion to to to just an ambition to to be part of something that is bigger than themselves and perhaps connected with The US as well. So I would definitely urge you to look for talent here. And, you know, you don’t have obviously, I’m not saying you know, pay these people peanuts or don’t don’t treat them well, but you know, you can even with slightly better than they would be doing in they’d be very happy. Sure. Is that a pattern you see across other scaling businesses, like people creating, like, engineering teams in Athens? Or Yeah. Manage manage. That’s a very big trend right now. mhmm. Both for multinationals creating labs and hubs in Greece. To take advantage of that differential, but also small smaller or growing smaller startups and growing scale ups. In fact, through Phil, I had met, some people from Wonderful AI might know the Yes. Israeli. Right? company, It is Israeli. Yes. But feeling you one of the early employees who Yep. from from, from Penn. He was a a colleague classmate. I don’t remember what but through through Penn, he had a friend who worked there. And they were eyeing their first entry point in Europe. So I started speaking with these guys, and kind of, like, after a few a few days, they’re like, okay. We like Athens. I appreciated them about the merits as as you know, I’m talking with you as well. And, they asked me to find their GM and some of the early employees. So through me, they found their their general manager. They formed the team around that smaller hub in and it one of the most from what I understand speaking with the GM now and and some of the people of the team, number one, the the team grew from one to 30 now, maybe more. They’re catering to Malta, to the to, you know, Italy and other places. And not only is it a good business for them because they made a lot of revenue, but many of the stakeholders they found there they they attained higher roles within the scale up as as time went in a very small time frame. Like, in less than six to to ten months, Ja. the people they hired in Greece started becoming senior leaders in the company because they were that good. And, they, you know, they had the drive, the ambition, and probably they it didn’t cost them a fortune to to get them and give them a chance. Interesting. Yeah. It’s interesting you mentioned the Balkans. Like, I I always had this hypothesis last year because I I, for my research, I I traveled a lot in, like, different Balkan countries as well and kind of went to a bunch of events and had a bunch of meetings with people involved in the tech scene there. My hypothesis was always that that, like, Athens could become sort of the catching ground for talent from across this region. And investment flowing through the whole Balkans. But I always sense this sort of almost cultural reluctance in Greece to associate with the countries to the North and and the and and the term kind of Balkan in general. And I’m curious whether you think, like, that’s, like, a vision that Greece could grow into or would want to grow into. I think I think things are changing fast. So and and the younger generation has a Mhmm. much different mindset. I know they’re everyday scrolling on TikTok, so they’re on this doomscrolling habit and dopamine rush. And in my mind, my the the perhaps the my generation Mhmm. does not necessarily reflect what the new generation lives in, but despite that doomscrolling aspect, I think there is a lot of positivity in people who are much more open, much more eager to try things. And and and be part of of new ecosystems and just be more open. So I think things are better for for anyone who wants to do business in this. Of course. Interesting. I was gonna ask, if you have sort of any, like, particular one, if you have any particular, like, expertise in the semiconductor industry or if you have any, like, connections that might be interesting for for us to talk to as we kinda poke around problems in, like, the supply chain a little bit more. I I know a number of people, what I I’d love for you to do, if if you can, is to send me an email say, like, something like, hey, Alex. Great talking to you. Mhmm. We’d love to speak with any top leaders you know from the semiconductor space. Maybe share a small blurb about what you’re Of course. trying to do, throw in the the Stanford tag as well somehow. In the signature. Forget it. It’s people are gonna see it. And then I’ll think of a few people to forward it towards mostly people who had been senior leaders in the space for many years, some might be retired, But I have a few people that I believe would be would be happy to talk to you guys. Amazing. Yeah. We we have a blurb, I can I get that out too for sure? But make it very very short and sweet. No no need for Of course. Yep. too many specifics. And I’ll I’ll add some extra context there as But that’s a very low hanging fruit, easy for me to do. Amazing. And and and the email is gonna help me remind myself to do it as well within the next few days. So Of course. Yeah. I’ll get, like, a paragraph out feel free to do it, please. there for you, and and appreciate your your your offer to to help help us ¿Hola? I think, again, we’re we’re just looking for anyone in the industry has experience with sort of, like, operations or supply chain or or procurement or sort of risk management just to kind of serve as a sounding board and help us, like, refine our scope as we as we get into the summer. So And that that’s how it should be. And my my advice to you, like, Mhmm. as a parting kind of, like, comment is you can never Of course. speak with enough people about what you’re trying to do. Like, it’s always good to be listening. Doesn’t mean that what they tell you is what you need to do, and that’s a lesson most people learn usually through their after they fail to take the feedback they receive and and morph it into something useful. But it’s super super important to to understand the customer. And then I’d I’d say if you guys have an intuition or a very good domain understanding in one of these things that we were trying to solve, go with it. Even if investors say otherwise, even if customers get it yet, If you really understand something and see a better way to do it, just do it. You probably have seen that happen through your calendar days as well. Sí, sí, sí. Maybe maybe it wasn’t as because I’ve seen many early stage startups like those that go from zero to one Some there’s a lot of people second guess themselves when they don’t see the the fruits of their labors or their results immediately. But you know, trust in your instinct is is what I’m gonna say. Most people are wavering a little bit, but if you have an inclination and and a have, like, a Sure. you’ve seen the future somehow. Just chase it, man. Yep. Anyway, if I had a stroke, I Alexandra? My pleasure. My pleasure. I’ll forward the email once you send it. And if you’re ever in Greece, just let me know. Even if it’s for you know, one day stop in Athens going to it would be great to catch up in person as well. Yeah. I’ll probably be around later this summer for for a week or two. Perfect. I’ll I’ll I’ll definitely let you know when I’m around. Perfect. Perfect. Great. Alright. Thank you. Great meeting you, please. Be well. Bye.